Who else misses the good old days when JP Koning wrote mostly about actual, not fake money, and Nick Rowe experimented with red money?
The debate between David Andolfatto and Mike Sproul below is nearly 12 years old but, considering how little has changed since then, could just as well have taken place yesterday.
David starts his blog post Fiat money in theory and in Somalia (2011) with a correct observation: money serves a record-keeping purpose. David explains: “The money in my possession constitutes information about my past contributions to society”. In other words, money is used to track agents’ trading histories.
What David fails to highlight is that in every single trade, there is a buyer and a seller. By giving up goods, the seller makes a contribution to society while the buyer receives something from society. We might call it a negative contribution, although accepting goods from others is of course nothing to be ashamed of. Anyway, such a negative contribution must also be recorded. When the buyer hands out currency to the seller, the reduction in his holdings of currency is that record. Today, most of the recording takes place in banks’ accounting systems, where a debit entry on the buyer’s account is a record of this negative contribution.
In every single trade of goods or services there is a credit entry and a debit entry to record the positive (giving) and negative contribution (receiving). Crucially, this also applies to situations where money is said to be issued or created. Anything else would lead to an imbalance, where the holders of money — having given up goods earlier — would be entitled to receive goods from other people without there being anyone, in aggregate, liable to deliver goods[1].
David does not seem to recognize this balance between records of positive and negative contributions. In the post he says:
“According to this view, the market value of fiat money consists exclusively of a liquidity premium. The asset has no intrinsic value, and yet it has a positive price. Fiat money is a "bubble" asset -- but this is a bubble that plays a useful social role (it economizes on commodities that have uses other than record-keeping).”
A record of a past contribution to the society is not a bubble asset if there is another record, of the same nominal value, of a negative contribution to society and a related liability to give up goods later. The beauty of accounting is that that record always exists because you cannot credit an account without debiting another.
In the comments to David’s post, Mike Sproul takes on David’s claim about fiat money being a bubble asset:
“Scientists used to bend over backwards trying to explain nonexistent substances like phlogiston, ether, and caloric. Nowadays they bend over backwards trying to explain the nonexistent substance called fiat money.
We all know that money can be backed by assets. ... The US dollar, for example, is backed by the assets of the Fed, but it is not convertible into metal. People observe the fact that the dollar is inconvertible, and jump to the conclusion that it is not backed. This in spite of the fact that the dollar is the acknowledged liability of the Fed, and the Fed holds assets designated as ‘collateral held against federal reserve notes’.”
David agrees that commercial bank liabilities are fully backed, but doesn’t see how central bank liabilities could be:
“I think you are off base on your observation that Fed notes are backed by assets. They are largely backed by Treasuries, which are claims to future Fed notes. So a Fed note is backed by a future Fed note. What sort of backing is that?”
To which Mike replies:
“The dollar is backed by treasury bonds, which are in turn backed by taxes, so the dollar is ultimately backed by the government's ability to take real resources by taxation.”
So, who is right? Both are, in their own way. David is right about money serving a recordkeeping purpose, but he doesn’t follow that idea to its logical conclusion. If he did, he would see that Mike is right about full backing extending to central bank "liabilities" (we would not use that term, though).
That full backing takes the form of the balancing records of negative contributions mentioned above. If, as David says, Fed notes are records of positive contributions (goods given to others) made by their holder, then they must be balanced by records of negative contributions referring to agents who have received goods in excess of what they have given up. These records of negative contributions are the debit balances on the Fed ledger. While the holder of a note — in general, a credit balance — is entitled to receive goods from others due to an earlier positive contribution, the debtors are liable to deliver goods to others.
Here is what is “backing” Fed notes: U.S. Treasury, agency debt, and mortgage-backed securities pledged.[2]
The debtors behind mortgage-backed securities (MBS) in the Fed’s books are liable to deliver goods — usually labor — to others. That’s how they pay back their mortgage debt. The periodic debit entries on their bank accounts, and credit entries on loan accounts, are done to amend the records to reflect the repayment. The “backing”, if you will, is the debtors’ ability to sell labor to their employers.
When it comes to Treasury debt, Mike is right. Its value lies in the real resources taxpayers give up, not in any Fed notes. This is public debt which has been incurred by the government acting on behalf of the people and which the people pay back by delivering goods to others. The periodic debit entries made on taxpayers’ accounts — misleadingly called “tax payments” — lead to a situation where they cumulatively give up more goods than they receive. That is what taxes are about: you give up some resources for communal use without any direct compensation. (We don’t think David disagrees with this.)
It should actually be fairly easy to prove that Fed money is not a bubble. As a thought-experiment, why don’t we make George Selgin happy and end the Fed. During, say, a 30-year winding-up period, mortgagors and taxpayers will in effect deliver stuff to Fed noteholders[3], who are due goods, and receive Fed notes from them as a record of these sales[4]. The MBS trusts and the Treasury will deliver the notes they receive from mortgagors and taxpayers to the Fed. The notes will be presented as proof that the debt has been repaid, after which the Fed will credit the accounts for MBSs and Treasuries, writing the debt down. Simultaneously, the Fed will debit the account for currency, thereby recording its removal from circulation.
So the ones who owed stuff, delivered stuff, while the ones who were owed to, received stuff. The Fed as the economy’s ultimate accountant kept track of these trades and made sure that debtors delivered on their promises. We can see that the Fed balance sheet consists of records of trading histories, and nothing else[5]. The balance sheet is emptied when the cumulative trading balances of all participants hit zero.
Now, we don’t think what we say about the “real side” of things is that controversial or even new. Any sensible economist would agree with John Stuart Mill when he says[6]:
"It is not with money that things are really purchased... The pounds or shillings which a person receives weekly or yearly are not what constitutes his income; they are a sort of tickets or orders which he can present for payment at any shop he pleases, and which entitle him to receive a certain value of any commodity that he makes choice of."
In our work we don’t differentiate between a real and a monetary level. Instead, we describe — in concrete terms and in detail — the latter as recordkeeping of the former. But Mill continues (and nearly all economists nod in agreement):
"In point of fact, money is bought and sold like other things, whenever other things are bought and sold for money. Whoever sells corn, or tallow, or cotton, buys money. Whoever buys bread, or wine, or clothes, sells money to the dealer in those articles. The money with which people are offering to buy, is money offered for sale."
What we argue is that it just looks like money is being traded, especially when one has coins or paper bills in mind. And people understandably think they are trading money, while in fact — no matter the shape or material of the recordkeeping device — they are recording goods transactions or amending previously made records.
Thus, taking the “money as a record-keeping device” view to its logical conclusion requires accepting that money as a tradable object — whether one calls it a special good or an IOU — doesn’t exist. The “device” does not refer to a thing that is issued so that it can be traded for goods but rather to the service that the monetary system provides - namely that of recording goods trades.
One needs to accept that both monetarists and credit-theorists have been partly wrong. Then again, considering how controversial money as a topic has been for centuries, that shouldn’t come as a surprise. Our modest proposal is that all this controversy can be resolved if one accepts that money as a tradeable thing does not exist[7].
To paraphrase Mike Sproul:
Scientists used to bend over backwards trying to explain nonexistent substances like phlogiston, ether, and caloric. They still bend over backwards trying to explain the nonexistent substance called money.
"What we argue is that it just looks like money is being traded, especially when one has coins or paper bills in mind. And people understandably think they are trading money, while in fact — no matter the shape or material of the recordkeeping device — they are recording goods transactions or amending previously made records.
ReplyDeleteThus, taking the “money as a record-keeping device” view to its logical conclusion requires accepting that money as a tradable object — whether one calls it a special good or an IOU — doesn’t exist."
Good post.
Why can't both approaches be right, though? You can look at an elephant from the outside or you can explore it from the inside, and though both perspectives might seem contradictory they provide an equally valid way of understanding an elephant.
Thanks, JP!
DeleteI cannot see how "two mutually exclusive microfounded macroviews" (to quote O. Davey) could both be right. They are both trying to describe the inside of the elephant, aren't they?
Money-as-a-tradable-object (what we call simply the Money View, or MV, and which we oppose with the Accounting View, or AV) isn't even one approach but many competing approaches. Even today, after centuries of controversy, they are represented by smart people like George Selgin, Randall Wray, Eric Lonergan and yourself. (We place even money-as-an-IOU here.)
We think the AV can break the impasse. But probably one needs to "unsee" money before one can fully appreciate it? I don't know. At least it seems to bring something new to the discussion, as it is immune against the typical monetarist arguments against the "money is a liability" camp, even if it is fairly sympathetic towards the latter.
To return to your question, I think the MV has its place in personal finance and perhaps microeconomics, too. I'm not sure it is necessary there, but it doesn't seem to lead to problems. What it cannot do is answer the question "What is money?".
You say that the "money view" and the "accounting view" are mutually exclusive ways of looking at the world. Can you give me a specific example where they clash?
DeleteThat is, say that I am looking at a certain specific monetary phenomenon. (Just spit ballin' here, but say inflation or quantitative easing or bank credit creation.) If I put on my "money view" glasses to help understand what is going on, and then put on my "accounting view" glasses, is it the case that the two views will provide me with contradictory interpretations of these phenomena? Or will they simply provide me with different perhaps non-overlapping (but not inconsistent) ways of understanding these phenomena?
JP,
DeleteFirst, your particular «MV glasses» are among the least foggy 😊 Second, I think what I mean by mutually exclusive is more about having to choose between one and the other. Once you have seen the world through the AV glasses, it doesn’t make any sense to go back to seeing imaginary objects being created on accounts and being transferred between accounts (there are no tokens on the accounts). As we say in our paper, the monetary level -- or whatever one wants to call it -- is superfluous.
There are more direct clashes with the quantity-theory-of-money type of MV people, less with the credit-theorist types (who view money as some kind of liability/IOU). The simple version of QTM makes absolutely no sense from the AV point of view. When it comes to inflation, the fiscal theory of price level makes much more sense to us, although it alone cannot explain it. When credit-theorists say that the government accepts “its money” (thinking about cash now) as a payment for taxes and thus creates demand for it, we kind of get what they mean and our head doesn’t explode. But it is much more correct to say that the government accepts the tokens as a proof that the taxpayer has paid his taxes by giving up goods. Records = proof. (This also seems to fit nicely with some stories of tally sticks used by government in the UK.)
So, less clashes with people like Mike Sproul and you, who do understand money as well as it can be understood without fully adopting the AV. But it would feel wrong to say that George Selgin has totally misunderstood money. Although that statement is factually correct, there is no denying that his arguments against credit-theorists do have a point. As we have explained, money (the credit balance) is in itself not anyone’s liability or debt. If very intelligent people cannot agree on what money is, perhaps we should all view it totally differently? Perhaps the controversy persists because money doesn’t really exist? If it did, then academia would surely have agreed on a definition already.
Please forgive me for entering the conversation at this time but I think I can help bridge the gaps.
DeleteThe AV holds when a bank decision maker grants a borrower a checking account balance. Borrower now has limited access to the pool of deposits controlled by the bank.
The MV also holds because borrower (having control of a checking balance) seems to own cash money. A cashable check enables monetary transfers as if actual currency was being transferred.
Now we ask what the bank actually did when acting behind closed doors. If the bank actually transferred money (owned by other depositors) into the borrowers account, the total supply of money would be unchanged by the borrowing event.
If the bank actually created new money and made it available to the borrower, the total supply of money would increase.
We can learn what really happened behind bank doors by looking at end-of-period reports of total money supply.
I would like to know more about what this point of view can bring us more on some monetary concepts or phenomena.
ReplyDeleteFor example, concerning the 3 functions of money, or inflation.
Hi yyy. Concerning the 3 functions of money, I would say that an accounting view is not fundamentally at odds with them.
DeleteAccounting as such can be seen as the medium by which exchange is enabled. Our assumption is always that money, as it is defined by other schools of thought, does not exist. So spot barter is the only alternative to using an accounting system.
The unit of account is the abstract measure in which trades are recorded (that should not be confused with the subjective value which buyers and sellers attach to their respective parts of a deal). An abstract number that makes heterogenous goods comperable is likely the biggest and perhaps most underappreciated feat that accounting has accomplished. According to archeological findings, this feat took many millenia to evolve.
Store of value must be seen more as a normative goal, perhaps. People would not give up goods today if they did not expect a comparable amount of goods in future.
In that sense, (high) inflation is undesirable from an accounting perspective. But a recordkeeping view does not tell us much about how it may come about. A simple 'too much money chasing too few goods' explanation is out of the question. The closest thing to that in a pure credit economy is that credit is extended on too favourable terms, which may lead to high (expected) losses that then manifest as rising prices. But that's very speculative and surely not an exhaustive answer.
I hope that helps.
Money is more than memory. The scarcity of tokens creates a liquidity constraint that discourages cooperation with free riders. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2664134
ReplyDeleteHi, I've skimmed through your paper and have come to the conclusion that you have muddled the concept of money as a recordkeeping device.
DeleteYou write: Tokens encouraged cooperation because subjects took turns at trading them for help, without hoarding them. This alternation did not emerge in Memory, where some subjects accumulated large numeric balances, thus allowing free-riders to run large deficits. This suggests that the tokens’ superior performance is tied to the presence of external “liquidity” constraints, which facilitate the task of coordinating on credible, incentive-compatible trade patterns.
You delineate tokens (money) from memory (recordkeeping) by claiming that the former adds a liquidity constraint which the latter lacks.
This is a false dichotomy as it does not take into account how recordkeeping (accounting) works. The reason for monitoring in a recordkeeping environment is to enforce credit limits, i.e. to make sure that agents do not become endlessly endebted and to make sure that debts are repaid. As we laid out in our paper (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3628707), this is 100% analogous to handing out tokens and requiring them to be given back when agents leave the system. Tokens ARE recordkeeping / memory devices and there is no recordkeeping environment that works without credit limits / enforcing debts.
Furthermore, you do not tackle the problem that is inherent in all monetary models we are aware of, namely that money is modeled as an object with a positive value.
You write: In the Money treatment, we add fixed balances of intrinsically worthless electronic tokens, which participants canchoose to exchange for help.
But you do not mention, let alone explain how these worthless tokens become valuable monetary objects that agents are willing to exchange for goods. This is what we call the Money View and which we contrast with the Accounting View, which is strongly informed by Kocherlakota, Ostroy etc..
Regards, Oliver
Hi, thanks for response.
DeleteYes, we agree on that money is a memory, we just seem to disagree on what are the necessary characteristics for this memory to facilitate and sustain cooperation between strangers. I think the linked paper (no, I am not an author, I just use it in my work) points to an important distinction of money memory as a pure record keeping tool and existence of money tokens.
You write “Money is no longer an object or “medium” that is exchanged. In fact, there is no recognizable concept of money in the theory we develop“ in your paper (2020). but at the beginning you actually introduce de-facto money tokens (units of account) into your money-less memory model of money in the form of limited supply of HOBs (hours of babysitting) by "All participants agree that no family should stray too far from a balanced budget at any point in time, both for its own and other families’ sakes. They agree on a credit limit of 20 hours…".
That is my point (and I think the point of the paper I posted here) why money is more than pure memory - agreeing on a liquidity limit and thus discouraging freeriding centrally is an impossible task between strangers without central authority. Pure memory model wouldn't have any HOBs limits set at the beginning. This lack of central agreement and enforcement is precisely what physical token money helped to solve. If there are scarce tokens people don’t have to convene and reach any agreement before. To suppress free-riding it is enough to help (sell to) only people you meet with token money - proof that they helped the helpers in the past too. So that is why money is more than a memory – to facilitate and sustain cooperation between strangers it has to include tokens with inelastic supply (inelastic because otherwise it is not a reliable signal of the past cooperative behavior of the counterparty). Take bitcoin for example. It has tokens too, they just don’t have to be physical because the limited supply is not a feature of a scarce good in a particular environment but an agreed upon norm coded in the project from the beginning.
“Furthermore, you do not tackle the problem that is inherent in all monetary models we are aware of, namely that money is modeled as an object with a positive value.” I do. This problem is at the core of the article I write, where I use your work and the paper I linked here. But it’s too soon for me to explain it here, I just wanted to settle this separate issue first.
all the best
Juraj
Regarding this: Pure memory model wouldn't have any HOBs limits set at the beginning.
DeleteAs Antti said on Twitter, this may be a reading of Kocherlakota, but it is not ours (and I don't think it is correct). As Kocherlakota, we reference frictions (Hahn 1965) as what makes 'money' essential. In absence of commitment to a budget (which is a reasonable assumption with trade among strangers) one needs monitoring. This monitoring can only be understood as enforcing budgets where self-restraint / altruism is absent. Just passive accounting, as you seem to be implying, is not a fair reading of what 'memory' or recordkeeping / accounting is / does.
You write: This lack of central agreement and enforcement is precisely what physical token money helped to solve.
Yes, physical tokens can solve specific problems. That does not mean they do not belong to the recordkeeping aparatus. (And it does not mean that those problems cannot be solved without physical tokens. Most transactions today do not involve any tokens. Are they not monetary transactions?)
As Antti laid out above, issuing tokens requires both a credit entry (marked by the possession of the tokens) as well as a corresponding debit entry, implying an obligation by someone (say taxpayers) to give more goods than they have received in future (a debt). The latter is often missed but is essential for understanding modern money, we argue. The feature of a recordkeeping / accounting / memory system is that there is always a 1:1 correspondence between credits ('rights' to receive goods) and debits (obligations to give goods). This sets it apart from, say, crypto, where no such obligations exist. The inelasticity of the supply of tokens / credits is meaningless if not seen in relation to corresponding obligations.
For more on how token systems can be seen in relation to recordkeeping, see pages 7 and 18 of our paper. For more on how token systems can be understood in relation to government spending / public debt, see also this post by Antti: https://theaccountingview.blogspot.com/2021/02/tokens-for-nothing-and-breakfast-for.html
Oliver
"As Antti laid out above, issuing tokens requires both a credit entry (marked by the possession of the tokens) as well as a corresponding debit entry, implying an obligation by someone (say taxpayers) to give more goods than they have received in future (a debt)."
Deletewhose explicit or implicit obligation is it to deliver, if I hold cash now?
juraj
Whoever is behind the debt on the left hand side of the central bank's balance sheet. That's sort of what the above post is about. The backing is the debt.
DeleteThis does not mean that anyone becomes newly indebted cash is passed around. But, as Antti points out above, it can mean that, if the cash is the product of government spending for example, you, as holder of the cash, are also simultaneously implicated by the debt. Or, put in everday terms, if you have an outstanding tax (or mortgage) obligation, you are not quite as wealthy as you might think just by counting the cash in your hand.
addendum: the debtors are not obliged to deliver goods to anyone in particular, say a holder of cash. It is an obligation to sell into the market in general. Likewise cash is no right to any particular good or debtor, only to what is on offer on the market.
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but i have no claim on the italian government just because they issued the bonds boght by ECB just by holding euros. are we in debt relationship without knowing it? no one owes me anything, explicitly or implicitly. no debtor, principal, duration or interest rate is specified on my euros. I only have expectations about the future exchange value of those tokens based on the behavior of the ECB, just as I have expectations about the future exchange value of my favorite painter's paintings based on his production (inflation) and reputation. yes, I can exchange them for help or goods, but no one (?) would consider the painting a claim on the painter, issuers of assets painter holds on his balance sheet, or other market participants. juraj
DeleteYou're getting to a point where the whole edifice we have contructed needs to be explained. I don't know whether there's a quick way to do so, but I'll give it a try.
ReplyDeleteWhat we always stress is that money should not be seen as an IOU. Firstly, there is no direct connection between those who are credited (with tokens or on an account) and those who owe. Your credits are not direct claims against any person, let alone any government or bank. Debits and credits are simply arithmetics that keep track of who, within a market, has given more and who has received more in the past. Since for every unit given there is a unit received, credits must match debts.
Importantly, debts are obligations by people to deliver / sell goods on the market in future, they are not obligations to give anything to a government or a bank or any particular person. Likewise, credits are not claims on banks or governments or any particular person. Government is an agent that purchases goods and thus incurs debt in the name of the public - the public being you and me. The bank, on the other hand, is the entity that records purchases an sales and check whether debts are repaid on time. Neither banks nor governments produce things (other than their own services) and so should not be seen as those who owe or who are owed to. It is you and me that produce and consume goods and who, collectively, make up the public. That is why we prefer the term public debt, as opposed to say government debt and also why we avoid speaking of assets and liabilities in the accounting sense.
So the Euros you hold are credits. There are corresponding debtors, among them the Italian public that owes goods to the European market. In principle, only if the Italian public (plus whoever else is implicated on the left hand side of the ECB's balance sheet) delivers on their promises to deiver goods in future, will the Euros you hold live up to their promise of buying you goods in future worth what you gave up to get those Euros in the past. The system of debits and credits, aka recordkeeping aka memory, is what helps to align those expectations with actual produce. Like a very simple algorithm or a moral code, if you like.
Not too confusing, I hope? Maybe Antti can chime in.
JK: Thank you for your patience. We agree on many things, but I would argue that the distinction that there are no promises, only price expectations, is important. The lack of effective enforcement of any promises is precisely what the use of money helps to solve by removing credit and duration risk from the exchange. You seem to distinguish between private token money and public money. Just to clarify, would you use the same mental model and treat the asset side of the money seller as a promise to deliver “to the public” in cowries or bitcoin transactions?
ReplyDeleteI think the removal of credit risk is a feature of modern money, and not absolute. There is always residual risk. But I believe historical monetary systems worked on the basis of socialised credit risk. I.e. risk was distributed among all creditors.
DeleteThe promises made concern future goods, the value of which is put in relation to the goods received in the past. Such comparisons often involve subjective value judgements (a problem that was addressed by defining unitary settlement goods such as gold or grain) but even without such goods, they are not arbitrary or unanchored.
I would actually not distinguish between private and public monies, as far as their inner workings go. I also have no closer knowledge of cowrie shells but I suspect such systems would have followed the same logic of reciprocity. As for bitcoin, I would say no. Bitcoins are credits without corresponding debts which explains their inability to stabilize in value vs. goods. The promise of rising value is, of course, what has made them so popular. The promise of getting rich quickly.
Oliver
Now reading Kocherlakota again I notice, that he himself pointed out the difference between money and debt using the same distinction I mentioned – external norm enforcement – in his 1998 paper:
ReplyDelete“Money serves as a type of memory in environments or relationships without enforcement or commitment. (So when money is involved, all transfers of resources can legitimately be described as gifts.) Bonds serve as a type of memory in environments or relationships with enforcement or commitment. (Some transfers of resources occur because of the threat of external force.)”
Well spotted, Juraj! I guess you could say he is making a distinction between money and debt. But that assumes (probably correctly) that Kocherlakota thinks of money as "credits without corresponding debts". Oliver has explained very well our thinking on that subject above. To us, that is not money (Fed notes and other currency come with corresponding debts, but without direct link to a debtor). Bonds are different in that they -- while being credits to their holders -- have a direct link to a debtor. What is owed by the debtor is still goods (to the market) and what is owed to the creditor is still goods (from the market), but the credit risk of the debtor is assumed by the creditor (unless it's a bank bond...).
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